HL2RP American Domination Clockwork - Alternative Universe Using HL2RP Guidelines

Please do only use constructive criticism, this server is merely an experiment for the time being. Seeing if my universe could survive the test of time. If you'd like to help or offer suggestions, you can reach me at http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198027433930/
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In my server alone, we tend to do things differently, in a nutshell. It's a brand new world, a darker world.
Server Lore:

Beginning in the 1930s, The United States was an breadbasket of change and progress, However, things changed, FDR, beloved president in OTL, was unable to come to a concensus of the "New Deal in the 1930s. Making way for radical ideologies to spring up.

A man, by the name of Harold Harrison, became disenfranchised with the common american way of life. He sought to live in a world of fascism. Only, he didn't see the "Inferior" races as pests. More as servants if you will, contrary to Hitler's Fascism.

He would find his way to Nazi Germany in 1938. Finding that Hitler did not share his ideals, as of whee Hitler wanted to eradicate "inferior" peoples. Saddened, but not broken he returned to the USA.

Over the course of a few years, he founded the American Revivalist Party, which quickly overcame the Republican Party of the time, and eventually grew more popular than the Democratic Party.

Due to his failures as president mounting, FDR was only plagued by bad luck with the Failures of incompetent Generals and other such things, causing him to only have further problems with the Issue of a growing radical Ideology.

So thus, in November 1944, Harold Harrison would become the President of the United States, defeating FDR's Government, In a Revolutionary turn of events, Revolts and riots prompted people to coup the government.

Over the course of Several Years. He would form the United Imperial States of America.

Fast forward,

We arrive to today. 2044.

America has completed nearly total global conquest. It took many years. And cost many lives, but the world is now under a fascist american boot.

ADDTIONAL INFO: United Imperial States is actually weaker than most would imagine, despite their loyal troops and police. A rebellion is emerging based on the ideas of Democracy, some Communism, some even Anarchy.

 

I think the concept is interesting, however the post you have made is not very captivating. I would add pictures and a lot more information.

 

You should delve into what it means to be imperial as the United States of America during the 20th - 21st century. Did they take the communist approach of imperialism by making your ideology appeal to the masses especially already weakened and/or fractured countries ultimately leading to civil wars and coups or did they re-enact / re-imagine manifest destiny?

I also think that instead of having them win democratically as it's pretty improbable. You should take the cliche revolution and spice it up in some aspects, did the states with majority of support forcefully cede or overthrow the Government in a Revolutionary War fashion?

You're leaving quite a lot to the imagination which can be both a blessing and a curse.

 

I'm one of the super admins for this server, I'll post some more information later tonight.

edit: i'm dumb, thought of the wrong thing

 

Failures at Midway and Omaha are the main thing to blame. Military Failures can cause a lot of controversy.

I'd like to leave a bit to the imagination. The main thing here being that the UISA used a Manifest Destiny kind of thing to get into other countries, Maybe Revolution however could work. Though It's still in the works as is.

I'll possibly replace it with a revolution kind of thing.

 

I just had an idea that I think would be cool. Since revolution-styled RP is autisticly one-sided power wise for obvious reasons, maybe have the 'enemy' as NPCs in fortified positions and stuff etc, and have certain people actually RPing them for raids/deep patrols. Something along the lines of Homefront: The Revolution storyline, as little sense as it makes realistically. This probably doesn't make any sense at all but whatever I figured I'd throw it out there

 

United Imperial States implies there's an Emperor.

 

Please refrain from triple posting. Thanks.

 

How, I'm thinking is they're trying to make it more homefront-esque, at the same time trying to keep it from delving into a hotbed of political bs.

 

I'm a staff member on this server.
Right now we're in a bit of a event hiatus until we get a more stable playerbase and forums up and ready. If you have any questions/apps, feel free to message MrX or post about it on the group page. Once we get a stable playerbase, we will most likely start progressing in the overall story arch. Again, this is just an experimental idea, but I personally like it so far. Feel free to join, a few people are usually on 4-10 pm (PST) as of now.

 

Not to be mean or anything but it doesn't really make sense. It seems like five or so minutes of thought was put into the concept, if you can even call it a concept, and you flipped a switch going 'lol fascism' because of two losses in a war. That's not really feasible with the United States.

 

While I like the concept, I agree with the player above, seems a bit rushed.


I'd give the suggestion to watch the series "Man in The High Castle". Germany and Japan won WW2.
They split the United States between them, with Germany having "The American Reich" and the Japenese the "Pacific States".
Basically has the whole thing you are looking for, with an entire lore to expand upon that makes a bit more sense.
You can read about it here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Man_in_the_High_Castle

 

Not all empires have Emperors, The United States in real life was kinda a psuedo imperial power.

Unlike other Retards, I actually use M9k Administrator Addon. We mostly just used the RPG and other rocket launchers.

I'll figure something out.

 

How much do you believe in this concept, and furthermore, do you think it'll be accepted by an audience?

 

It's more of an experimental concept, right now. We won't know if it'll be accepted by an audience until we get some input. Honestly, I do like the concept.

Actually, that is "feasible with the united states", as it has happened before. In the late 1960's, Lyndon B. Johnson was the president of the united states, and he had brought the U.S. into the Vietnam war. Before January 30th, 1968, Lyndon B. Johnson's approval rating was pretty high, but after the Tet Offensive (which began on January 30th, 1968, according to history.com and wikipedia.org), his approval rating plummeted to the ground as the U.S. citizens saw the terrors of war, and seeing U.S. troops being defeated in the battle. How they saw this was a news station went out into the field to cover the war (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_Cronkite#Vietnam_War). In the end, we ended up losing the Vietnam war, and with it, Lyndon B Johnsons approval rating plummeted to the ground. During the entirety of the war, counter-culture groups began appearing all across America (i.e. hippies, activists, radical Anti-America groups, women's rights, the "British Invasion"(Beatles, Rolling Stones, etc.)), all of which had a negative view of the war.

Imagine if we had won the Vietnam war? Imagine if there was no news station report for it? Would Lyndon B Johnson be re-elected the following election after is term ended? Most likely.

Another example of how this is feasible is an example I--hopefully--don't have to explain a whole lot. The American Civil War of 1861-1865. The way of present-day America was threatened by the Confederacy during that time. If the Confederacy had won over more states, the view of the U.S. citizens at the time may have been "I say, this 'United States' is frankly, not that United! The U.S. is weak, and we shall submit to the better power".

tl;dr Changing the outcome of major events can cause a different future to come up. Even if the event is "small", it can cause a domino effect of other different outcomes.

 

It says you ONLY lost Omaha beach.
So you still took Normandie but it took longer for the other beach?

What about the industrial might of the Republic? The Japanese winning Midway would really mean nothing because America would replace the losses before a year goes by.

The Bombing Campaign remained the same it seems, so Japan and Germany were on timers for their goals to be met so they could sue for peace.

The Allies were playing a late game and by 1942 there was no changing the outcome. The world was too committed to the war and the American people would never likely foster such counter-intuitive ideals in the height of their nations crisis, and even in such a time where American patriotism was at an all time high.

The reason the Vietnam war was so unpopular was not because of it's defeat. Militarily every 'battle' or offensive the NVA/Vietcong had created and issued resulted in a stark American victory. After the surprise of the Tet Offensive wore off the Americans repelled the attack successfully. I can see why you'd suppose the Home front was surely changed by the outcome of battles and the stream of wounded veterans coming home, but let me say another thing. The way Americans felt about the Vietnam war was a direct result of WWII and the subsequent Korean War. The idea that Americans would go off and die for another country without much provocation.

Pearl Harbor happened, America was attacked. There was no argument to the War's start and there was no pushback originally. The 60's-70's were a time of great progressive thought but the 30's- 40's? It was starkly realist and bitter. The Great Depression was in the back of everyone's mind and this newfound sense of purpose in the war was intoxicating if anything. America wouldn't fall to Ultra-nationalism so quickly and for such little reason. I for one don't think Hearts of Iron IV qualifies you to assess the political climate of 1940's America. It isn't as simple as 'a political party is formed'. Americans were not pursuing a way to stem their frustrations for the current administration. You say that America was unable to fullfill the 'New Deal' and a hotbed of new political ideologies would spring up, but what of their supporters? Just because a bunch of cooks got their hands on a microphone doesn't mean Americans will just forget who they are and decide 'oh LOL let's be facist because the economy sucks'.

 

Kind of lazy alternate history, my dude. If you're going to make a server with lore that has tons of focus on Fascism, at least do some research on it. First of all:

Fascism is based around civic nationalism, not ethnic nationalism. Fascists don't consider other races inferior. If you want to go into that territory it's National Socialism. He "found that Hitler did not share his ideals". What ideals? Some details would be nice. Details on how he got to sit down and converse with the Fuhrer of NSDAP-controlled Germany too, considering the amount of security measures for a man who isn't in a position of power. A country doesn't completely shift ideologies from a couple of lost battles, especially in such little time.

If anything, those losses would've made Americans just hate the fascism-based ideologies more, considering it's what they were fighting against in the first place. And even before that, his brand-new fascist party managed to overtake the two establishment parties by the 1940's all while anti-Italian and anti-German propaganda was everywhere. To top it off, the idea of a single nation forcefully taking over the entire world is ridiculous as it stands. A 'Man in the High Castle' scenario would've been more likely, where they work with other, similar powers.

tl;dr if people went fascist that easy Oswald Mosley would've had a field day, you've been playing too much HOI4. Good concept, poor execution.

 

I'm eliminating the Lost Battles from the Lore. I am going to execute basically a New Deal fuckup kind of thing, What if the New Deal didn't actually do well as it should have. FDR would have failed to impliment the new deal in the Lore. A kind of thing that would have made him fail, the Depression would have lasted into WW2 without it.

 

Like I said, Still in progress. Half Life 2 about 6 years for it's concept to be planned.

I've decided that the failure to come up with the "New Deal" would have caused something like fascism to come up.

 

Mr Garry Tophat will be responsible for dictating each of the regions in the Imperial States, explaining how those work, as also it wasn't an overnight change, the tension was building since 1934. As for the situation with how he managed to get a sitdown with Hitler, he didn't. The Night of Broken Glass is what tore him from the Nazi regime. He sought to use a Fascist National Socialist mix in. But we still refer to it as Fascism.