Official Donald Trump TV ad

when people say shit like this it makes me seeth
yes, Muslims have committed atrocities but so has literally every other demographic, some more than the Muslims
Mexican drug cartels have been murdering, beheading, blackmailing, and smuggling people since the 60s, and we haven't launched bombing campaigns on Mexico yet, have we?

 

Cartels don't want to rule the world. The number of atrocities committed by Muslims is severely higher than most other religious and political demographics bro.

 

Can both of you pull up sources or images

 

In regards to the Muslims doing terrorist attacks, this is a list containing only the attacks that were perceived as being in the name of Islam. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Islamist_terrorist_attacks

 

Oh, no I'm not saying you are. I guess I'm sorry for mocking your post, since you didn't attack me at some point here. Apologies.
I think that commercial was a little... over the top, but you can't fault the campaign for picking up on that story (if it was true). It's cute, and shows Hillary is progressive, which appeals to her base. I don't that anywhere it said we're gonna start turning people into "girl boys" or whatever you said.

You didn't though. You dismissed sources because they had scary names to you, and didn't reply to them at all. I'm not gonna have some whiney fight with you that I can't win because you'll just cry louder and put your fingers in your ears and pretend that I'm... I don't even know. You move goalposts around like crazy, you "zing" me with something that would get you stares in real life, and then pretend you didn't do any of the above. I don't know if you're fucking with me or what, but you're in for a harsh reality check when you get to "the real world". I don't even know if you would have a "political argument" in real life, you sound pretty keyboard warrior to me when most of your "argument" relies on petty, baseless attacks that further nothing but the evidence of your own immaturity or lack of self confidence.

Alright, now prove a causation from being Muslim, and compare that causation trend with other religious groups.

 

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emphasis on the word "extremist"
not every muslim is extremist
there are millions of muslims. a small fraction are part of isis and extremist. trying to make every muslim that walks into America sign into a database so they can be tracked is ridiculous.

 

it's being islamophobic, forcing people to enter a database that tracks their kind because outliers committed crimes.

 

Bro? Muslims do these attacks because the Qu'ran orders it:

"Fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, harass them, lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war. "
The Quran 9:5

“Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah; and those with him are forceful against the disbelievers, merciful amongst themselves.”
The Quran 48:29

"And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out. And Al-Fitnah [disbelief or unrest] is worse than killing... but if they desist, then lo! Allah is forgiving and merciful. And fight them until there is no more Fitnah [disbelief and worshipping of others along with Allah] and worship is for Allah alone. But if they cease, let there be no transgression except against Az-Zalimun (the polytheists, and wrong-doers, etc.)"
The Quran 2:191-193

"I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them"
The Quran 8:12

"Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not."
Quran 2:216

The Religion of Peace.​

 

http://www.pewforum.org/files/2013/04/worlds-muslims-religion-politics-society-full-report.pdf
I posted this in another thread, and it's a great source on how Muslims conflict with our Western culture, and why it would be hard for Muslims to assimilate today.
Gay marriage was legalized last year. Most Muslims aren't in favor of homosexuality.

Although in this graph we can see that most Musilms aren't in favor of suicide bombings as justified actions in the name of Islam, Forty-percent in the Palestinian Territories, which is hot-bed of conflict with tensions between them and Israel. As-well as Egypt with Twenty-nine percent in favor of suicide bombings which has been going under a bit of some unrest within a few recent years. Surely it's not the likes of Palestine, but an area like Syria where most of these migrants are coming from. You'd have to be sure some of these people would have the same radical thoughts as the people we see in Palestine or Egypt who could be in favor of suicide bombings.

 

Christianity before it got re-written into a new testament had the exact same shit, but it's alright. Anyhow, yeah I like what Reagant is saying about keeping Muslims and anyone in general tbh in a database. It should have been done way before, guys.

@TheFancyAlchemist
perhaps as a jew you could participate in this.

also @Reagent your source is literally from an israeli news source, of course it will be biased, try to find some sources that aren't biased for a full accurate report, although that's starting to get harder nowadays tbh.

 

that's not the issue. the issue is that America doesn't need to implement this to keep it a safe country. the things Trump wants to put in place are a very radical and unnecessary way to end violence in America and bar it from any violence. there are much easier and cost friendly ways to do things like that-- such as raising the amount of security and tightness of security in places where attacks could be staged. there is no reason we need to bar a whole demographic or make it extremely difficult for them to enter our country just because they are coming from a country where they are being prosecuted by members of their own religion.

 

This news just in, Muslims have been worshiping Borg cube all this time:

Except that Christianity didn't exist before the events of the new testament. You'd call those people /jews/

 

I understand its a small population of young white males who shoot up schools, but we should really keep an eye on them. Scary fellas.

Modern Judaic tradition is much more based on the Talmud and Mishnah than anything. Christianity is based around the New Testament and Papal bulls that followed. Islam has no central authority to dispel misreadings of ugly portions, but the vast majority of adherents are not violent.

 

My thread went rotten quick from a TV ad.

What have I done..

 

It would be intellectually dishonest to claim that mass influx of a foreign people is the same danger and deserves the same attention as four emo kids scattered around the country with severe autism with parents that weren't stupid enough to lock away the family pistol.

 

It would be intellectually dishonest to claim that an religion plays a role in terrorism without significant statistical backing. I'm making the same correlation you guys are. An outlier shouldn't represent the group, regardless of context.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=124494788
"'Much to my surprise, the Islamic scriptures in the Quran were actually far less bloody and less violent than those in the Bible.'"
"Violence in the Quran, he and others say, is largely a defense against attack."

 

You guys need to stop feeding idiots and discuss politics somewhere people aren't the mental age of 12

 

Whether the Bible provides more vile orders or not, think about the number of Christian terrorists there is and has been bro.

 

It would be disingenuous to pretend that we keep statistics by religious background of crime. That's immoral in the public eye, we don't do it. You take context clues and look to the countries they come from. Turkey, the Arabian peninsula (The graveyard of dead civilizations), and so on. The only civilized, modern country with a per capita to compete with the western world is Israel. So statistically speaking, the only country in the muslim world that can support it's own people the best, and has the lowest crime rate (Except for outside attacks from barbarians) is the only non-muslim country.

 

The Klu Klux Klan, militias in the CAR and Uganda, multiple provinces in India have large scale Christian terrorist organizations, Anti Abortion terrorism (the planned parenthood shooter). Just to name currently active ones. Just because they're not killing white people doesn't make them not terrorists.

There's a lot more at play there than just religion. Maybe we don't keep track of that statistic... because it'd be pointless!? The only profile we have of who is more likely to be a terrorist is that they're young and male. Religion, race, body size, whatever else, none of that makes a difference as of now. The DHS and other intelligence services have tried and tried to build a more reliable profile (so we can find terrorists) but there's no way. Before the 9/11 the "worst attack" was Oklahoma City. Was Timothy McVeigh a Muslim? Before that it was all economic related stuff, a few environmentalist and anti-Vietnam bombings. And of course there was the firebombing, lynching and what not of African Americans. I can assure you that wasn't Muslims doing that. What exactly about Islam makes it so problematic? Or are we gonna move the goalposts back again?