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Important Official Report Plugin

Discussion in 'Development' started by kurozael, Aug 15, 2017.

  1. kurozael

    kurozael Cloud Sixteen Director Staff Member Administrator Investor

    A while back I made a reporting plugin that allows players and administrators to report another player. Players with a high report count are listed on an official Cloud Sixteen subdomain.

    I'm going to be working on bringing this back into action with the upcoming patch language update. This'll mean that I can monitor players with a high report count, check out the reasons they were reported, and then decide on action to take in terms of a global Clockwork ban and how long they will be banned for.

    This should help to filter out prominent hackers and exploiters from the Clockwork scene to create a better experience for the servers of Clockwork customers.
     
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  2. Mr. Meow

    Mr. Meow will code for food Clockwork Customer

    And what if they have millions of accounts?
     
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  3. What if the staff decides to abuse this new power on random players?
     
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  4. /thread

    garbage idea
    i can only imagine how many imaginary loopholes you'll have to go through to rationalize this
     
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  5. what he said, i've seen way too many witch hunts
    it's a cool idea but there is just too many problems with it
    hackers are going to have multiple accounts and don't care about getting banned, which they usually do just by the admins and it doesn't really seem to be that troublesome for them
    what is troublesome is deciding whether to ban a player based on toxicity and i think that's all subject to personal opinion and that shouldn't get anyone banned imo

    what would be very good is being able to 'block' certain users on a server so their LOOC, OOC, and PMs don't show up for you, only their IC chat

    people don't want to deal with some toxic people in LOOC so they get told to just turn it off, but if they do that, then they can't see anyone else's LOOC either and sometimes it's important when it's used correctly
     
  6. redcatjack

    redcatjack Moderator and Map Developer Staff Member Moderator

    Agreed. This system WILL be abused, no doubt about it. As @matlock said people will submit false reports against people they dislike etc...
    If/When you introduce this plugin I for one will be disabling it on any CW server I run.
     
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  7. kurozael

    kurozael Cloud Sixteen Director Staff Member Administrator Investor

    Seems at the moment this plugin has more support than not.

    3+ is nothing. I'm talking about if a player has like at least 20 reports from unique individuals. And this isn't an automated system either, as I mentioned in the OP, I would be able to view those most reported, and their reasons, and make a calculated decision along with querying the community itself. Nothing would be a snap decision. But this gives me slightly more evidence than when someone messages me saying "OMG PLEASE BAN SO AND SO BECAUSE OF X AND Y" but I have absolutely nothing to go on.

    So, on the contrary, this is certainly one of the best (and most efficient) ways of handling the problem. I can understand your concerns if you thought this would be an automated system.

    Literally every forum or piece of software on the internet has a "Report" button, I don't see why Clockwork should be any different. It's a system that WORKS and has done since the birth of the internet. It allows us to monitor the reports and decide what action to take. I'm pretty sure we're smart enough to determine fake reports with shit reasons.
     
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  8. huh?
    i still don't see how this makes your idea, which is outright bad, any better merely because of a few likes
    that's a shitty cop out and the fact that you used it shows how petty you are
    "yeah, it's bad in practice but other people do it too so it's okay!"
    are you aware of the community your framework houses? how fucking out of touch are you buddy
     
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  9. kurozael

    kurozael Cloud Sixteen Director Staff Member Administrator Investor

    You should really shut the fuck up and learn some respect, I don't appreciate your attitude, and I'm certainly not going to listen to you.

    I don't think limiting it to server owners helps, and as @matlock says they are no more inherently trustworthy.

    Calling it an ironic joke when someone supports something that is opposed to your line of thinking is simply silly. I do not call your argument an ironic joke and disregard it completely, that would be childish.

    I see your points completely, but I do not see the harm in -- at the very least -- a private list of reported players for the perusal of myself and the moderation team. The list would be ranked by most reported, and more details would be available such as viewing individual reasons for reporting and the player who reported them. All this does is provide additional context and a means to review valid concerns by players and server owners in the community in a centralized location, instead of them having to approach us directly in an unorganized fashion of chaos.

    I do think completely disregarding my point that Report systems are prevalent everywhere on the internet and have proved to work; so long as they do not automatically ban without a review from a moderation team there is literally no harm in having the system whatsoever.
     
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  10. Let's all take a step back and breathe.

    I would personally welcome this change, as it would give server owners a direct line to us in regards to trouble makers and hackers. What some of you fail to realize is that this system would most likely be presided over by @kurozael, @Lev and myself. The system hasn't been designed yet, thus there is still plenty of room to add in safeguards in order to prevent witch hunt scenarios. There's no reason to get upset, systems can always change. Nothing is set in stone.
    Don't assume my rating is an ironic joke retard, remember who you are.
     
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  11. regardless of whether this is implemented or not, I still think people having the ability to ignore someone on a server so only their IC chat shows would be a great idea
     
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  12. So you mean disabling a specific persons ability to speak in OOC and LOOC?
     
  13. no, i mean the individual who 'blocked' them will not see their OOC LOOC or PMs
    the blocked user can still use all of those 3 things and everyone who doesn't have them personally 'blocked' will still see it
     
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  14. That might not actually be half bad, maybe if they attempt to pm someone who has them blocked it should pop up as "user has you blocked" or something of the sort.
     
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  15. kief

    kief kind bud

    Sure, I'm all for it as long as Cash, Lev, and kuro are the only ones who are able to take hold of the logs themselves. As long as we're hitting the people who are actually doing damage, then fine. Petty minges? Ehhhh.

    Also just as an additive, the Managers should be able to act on reports. Considering that kuro goes into lapses of inactivity, it'd be better if we had all three of the people at the top actually working together with equal amount of power.
     
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  16. Zig

    Zig Guest

    I don't believe it's entirely necessary, a "private" list of minges and high report counts will probably just be flooded even if you have individual users reporting them. It'll just turn into another game. I've never liked Clockwork's "Big Brother" program to begin with, so maybe I'm just a little bit more biased. I'm accepting of it, I just don't think it's a well thought out enough concept. I have a love-hate relationship with CAX, I don't believe that it's quite fair to throw flags over every server running the framework to disallow one player from playing on them. What if I don't want that control over my server? Why can't I just run the framework with no strings attached? I think it's just stepping on too many people's toes, it sort of reminiscent of when people were complaining about Clockwork writing to servers or whatever. What if I don't trust Lev or Cash, or even you kuro? (Not saying I don't, they're all fair people) What gives you the right to ban people from my servers for me? It's a neutral rating from me, I don't care too much about it. I just think that it's a poor idea to be executed.

    On the plus side, it's getting rid of toxic players from the community, sure, but it's just too hazy and too heavy on both sides for me to fully support it or fully dislike it.
     
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  17. Lev

    Lev certified honorable guy

    minges won't be our priority I don't assume. it's more for blacklisting people who mess with a server's files or something along those lines. if people want to blacklist minges in their communities, that's for them to deal with. again, i'm sure we're just going to be looking for hackers and of the sort.
     
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  18. kief

    kief kind bud

    Honestly I would feel better if the whole system would be optional. Something you could easily take on if you chose to, but if you didn't want to you could just keep out of the "big brother" circle entirely.

    I'd recommend we charge extra for the layer of protection entirely but that sounds kinda dumb to hear is a dumb idea entirely haha.
     
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  19. It could be a possibility that server owners can opt out of this plugin. Thus if you didn't want to have us at C16 choosing report related bans for you, simply un-tick that check.
     
  20. Zig

    Zig Guest

    Charge for protection for people to watch your back? Not too sure about that.

    Lots of things with this stuff have never been optional, you mine as well ask to make CAX optional.
     
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